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Just a little twist on the question..... can one do M/E without going down the esoteric path?
Not a loaded question, I am pondering this myselfJust a little twist on the question..... can one do M/E without going down the esoteric path?
Am I allowed to comment yet?Just a little twist on the question..... can one do M/E without going down the esoteric path?
yes...I generally hope for a response from you.....and a few other well learned Brothers...Am I allowed to comment yet?
One can study the history of Freemasonry, but I doubt it would be complete without looking at the volumes written about the esoteric societies and traditions that may have had an influence.
You could study the symbolism of Freemasonry but the moral application of those symbols and tools applied to a Mason's growth heavily touches on the esoteric.
The routine administration of a Lodge is rather mundane but again, the reason some officers perform certain duties in the Lodge structure has definite esoteric roots.
Others may disagree but I do not believe that a proper study of Freemasonry can be had if you take the esoterica out of it. And if you do take it out, the rich teachings become far to bland.
I try but...Man.... either I have lost my touch to stimulate a conversation or everyone is ignoring me..... hmmmmm.....
LOL... Yes... (inside joke folks)Am I allowed to comment yet?
Don't we all!yes...I generally hope for a response from you.....and a few other well learned Brothers...
BTW...Thanks for your thoughts...
"Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself, but talent instantly recognizes genius."I try but...
I think that goes back to you get out what you put in. If someone came in to be a show-mason then the superficial lessons educate you. Higher learning is still education but the man content with being a car mechanic who is doing wel has no need for the education. Or Stone Cold Steve Austin once told a person that he had no need to complete his college education. His wrestling education left him well enough off not to need to the other to live happily.
kudos!!!!!i know this is not adding to the conversation but i would like to relate an interaction i had last spring with an older member ... It goes with what coach said in his post on page 1...
I have my educational officer read papers on masonry . Very interesting stuff that shed light on the esoteric . I had an older member walk up to me after i closed lodge and told me "that was not education on masonry , reading from the by-laws and constitution is education ." i stared at him for a second and said "no , that is education on the laws and rules of our lodge and jurisdiction , but it is not education concerning masonry ." . Knowing that it is against the rules to elect an officer by proxy is not education on the deeper meaning of the ritual/symbolism of the degrees .
I have been educating the brothers in my lodge on the difference between freemasonry and masonry now . Some get it , some don't .
Actually, this is very germaine to the conversation Brother!I know this is not adding to the conversation but I would like to relate an interaction I had last Spring with an older member ... It goes with what Coach said in his post on page 1...
I have my educational officer read papers on Masonry . Very interesting stuff that shed light on the esoteric . I had an older member walk up to me after I closed lodge and told me "That was not education on Masonry , reading from the by-laws and constitution is education ." I stared at him for a second and said "No , that is education on the laws and rules of our lodge and jurisdiction , but it is not education concerning Masonry ." . Knowing that it is against the rules to elect an officer by proxy is not education on the deeper meaning of the ritual/symbolism of the degrees .
I have been educating the brothers in my lodge on the difference between Freemasonry and Masonry now . Some get it , some don't .
It sounds as if some are confusing Masonic Education and Freemason etiquette. I know may that are well versed in etiquette but lack knowledge. Just a question for those smarter than I: When teaching M/E, where does the historical aspects of our fraternity fit in? Is it part of Freemason Education?I know this is not adding to the conversation but I would like to relate an interaction I had last Spring with an older member ... It goes with what Coach said in his post on page 1...
I have my educational officer read papers on Masonry . Very interesting stuff that shed light on the esoteric . I had an older member walk up to me after I closed lodge and told me "That was not education on Masonry , reading from the by-laws and constitution is education ." I stared at him for a second and said "No , that is education on the laws and rules of our lodge and jurisdiction , but it is not education concerning Masonry ." . Knowing that it is against the rules to elect an officer by proxy is not education on the deeper meaning of the ritual/symbolism of the degrees .
I have been educating the brothers in my lodge on the difference between Freemasonry and Masonry now . Some get it , some don't .
It sounds as if some are confusing Masonic Education and Freemason etiquette. I know may that are well versed in etiquette but lack knowledge. Just a question for those smarter than I: When teaching M/E, where does the historical aspects of our fraternity fit in? Is it part of Freemason Education?
Maybe the question needs to be clarified...Are we asking "what do you consider Masonic Education to be" from a teacher/mentor view or from the student view? Although they should be close to the same, in reality they are not. Not every student is looking for the same thing, nor do they neccasarily find the same thing.
I think we need an "Official Masonic Revolution" song. How about Monte Python's "Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam..." Wav Files - Sound Bites - Sound Clips at The Sound ArchiveActually, this is very germaine to the conversation Brother!
And there you have it folks... A Masonic revolution is underway! If more of us did this it would be unstoppable.
When provided education focuses upon sustaining, maintaining, propagating and providing background on the Freemason organization, it's Freemason Education. Etiquette, history, backgrounds, landmarks, lineages, biographies, law, ritual, tradition, choreography all fall into this category.It sounds as if some are confusing Masonic Education and Freemason etiquette. I know may that are well versed in etiquette but lack knowledge. Just a question for those smarter than I: When teaching M/E, where does the historical aspects of our fraternity fit in? Is it part of Freemason Education?
You will find them scattered throughout our history. You can start with the cradle of civilation and you will see it in all its glory.From what school of thought, philosophy or history do those tools, actions and study emanate?
Ok, given that comprehensive history am I correct to infer from your comment that Freemasonry, as a chosen option, is the current manifestation through which Masons build better buildings then?You will find them scattered throughout our history. You can start with the cradle of civilation and you will see it in all its glory.